Microsoft accidentally made a great Chromebook

28 ian. 2020
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Now that the new Chromium version of the Microsoft Edge browser has a native ARM beta, Dieter Bohn gives the Surface Pro X another go. What happens when you use it like a "Chromebook," only using the Edge browser and web apps whenever possible? It ends up being a lot nicer than you might think!
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  • What do you think of the new Edge browser?

    The VergeThe VergeAcum an
    • The browser is awesome and better than chrome and brave. If I want privacy I first of all have to leave chromium and go to Firefox

      Jatin SinghalJatin SinghalAcum 4 luni
    • When Microsoft pays you after your review...

      Jatin SinghalJatin SinghalAcum 4 luni
    • As someone who wants to be able to do at least 80% of their work in a browser, but feel that Chrome is becoming too demanding, I welcome the new Edge browser.

      Jeremiah TownsendJeremiah TownsendAcum 8 luni
    • It's good, though I don't it to be any better than chrome feature-wise, I do find more comfort using a product from a company where I am the customer and not the product

      72dew72dewAcum 10 luni
    • New Edge browser is the best browser now on the market along with Firefox. 😍

      Breaking BadBreaking BadAcum 10 luni
  • Is it better opinion instead of the ipad pro? I want to use a tablet for school

    Lukas KönigLukas KönigAcum 2 Zile
  • Now they are selling an upgraded cpu, sq-2 i think its called. Please review. Ty

    212helpdesk212helpdeskAcum lună
  • Dieter & Nilay 💯💯💯💯 bestttttt reviewers

    Bhargav DeoBhargav DeoAcum lună
  • As if Lightroom is the only photo app worth running. If you don't need Adobe apps, the Pro X is a great device.

    raboox9raboox9Acum 3 luni
  • Pro anyday

    Geek JawaidGeek JawaidAcum 3 luni
  • so this video just to show the potential of ARM windows computer if apps were optimized to run natively on ARM processors.

    Yousef SaberYousef SaberAcum 4 luni
  • Chrome book: mobile phone in a laptop Surface go/pro: laptop in a tablet

    EPIC12EPICEPIC12EPICAcum 4 luni
  • So iPad Pro it is.

    cr1m203cr1m203Acum 4 luni
  • When Microsoft pays you after your review...

    Jatin SinghalJatin SinghalAcum 4 luni
  • Super helpful; thx!

    Joe ToeJoe ToeAcum 5 luni
  • the subtitle just wrote Chrometana.

    Rasul SaidRasul SaidAcum 5 luni
  • Thanks for the revisit, got a Lenovo C630 because of it

    Roland WongRoland WongAcum 6 luni
  • ChromeOS is still crappier than Android. Companies need to concentrate on bringing the Android OS to laptops. There are already versions like Android x86 and Phoenix OS but they are not perfect.

    John SmithJohn SmithAcum 6 luni
  • That’s just doing too much. Just get an iPad.

    Xavier MathewsXavier MathewsAcum 6 luni
  • My main interest in this device is the 4G LTE option since I’m more often than not in areas without easily accessible WiFi, but almost all the reviews I’ve seen mention the price not being worth it. What are some better priced devices that would allow me to continue working from remote locations?

    Amy Del ToroAmy Del ToroAcum 6 luni
    • There are not =)

      Leonardo RodriguezLeonardo RodriguezAcum 6 luni
  • look count= 1 VERY WELL!!!

    Etharth BaratheonEtharth BaratheonAcum 7 luni
  • Yes. It’s ahead of its time. Finally, you headed to the right direction with web services for all thin client devices like the ARM-based. It’s really for the upcoming subscription-based DaaS markets, and currently the best you can have for Cloud DaaS/ VDI for business.

    Mera WuMera WuAcum 7 luni
  • well, contrary to your advise, i purchased this device at a 600 discount. and i love it! i don;t do video or picture editing and work is just great! especially the T-Mobile sim with unlimited data for like $20 a month!

    dean kaltsasdean kaltsasAcum 8 luni
    • @MOBBAK 450 discount and I also had a credit of 200. I think it's still at 3 or 400 discount for the 8ram and 256 HD on the Microsoft store

      dean kaltsasdean kaltsasAcum 7 luni
    • WHAT! From where did you get it? Who sell it for that price?

      MOBBAKMOBBAKAcum 7 luni
  • Ha, ha, ha, ha... Awesome!!! ;-)

    Gabriel HernándezGabriel HernándezAcum 8 luni
  • using the windows key to search google bing: master microsoft i don't feel so good.......

    FuseteamFuseteamAcum 8 luni
  • I have the 2018 iPad Pro, and I love it so much.

    Lila UrarakaLila UrarakaAcum 8 luni
  • 😁

    Badoo RencBadoo RencAcum 9 luni
  • 4:14 Do people really complain about set up the computer the first time they use it -_-

    CreatexCreatexAcum 9 luni
    • Not me

      MOBBAKMOBBAKAcum 7 luni
  • The only reason I watch the verge is for Dieter :)

    Jay WayneJay WayneAcum 9 luni
  • "You should not buy this computer" Yes, I should if I could.

    AlexandreAlexandreAcum 10 luni
  • x86 chromebook is better because you can easily run many windows apps through wine or something similar. An arm windows tablet at $1800 ill stay really really clear of that thanks.

    Andrew CramerAndrew CramerAcum 10 luni
  • Would this be a good buy if you could get it cheaper than the SP7? Main use would be for work/productivity etc.

    TheSchmukkTheSchmukkAcum 10 luni
  • does the browser need zip ties to work?

    War .2. FameWar .2. FameAcum 10 luni
  • I am getting a Surface Pro X tomorrow...being an Android and heavy Google Services user, how well does Edge For Android integrate with my Android Phone? I wanted to load Chrome on this but afraid of battery drain.

    Brian WoltersBrian WoltersAcum 11 luni
  • How about you go and get a real job instead

    salmonilaUKsalmonilaUKAcum 11 luni
  • i almost can't believe i am using Edge browser for more than 1 month now

    ferri budimanferri budimanAcum 11 luni
  • I appreciate the honesty in this video. I agree, the Pro X is too expensive and it's not clear who it was made for. Just give me the Surface Book 2 screen as a stand alone product and I'm happy.

    Drew LakebrinkDrew LakebrinkAcum 11 luni
  • The Verge. Credibility: ZERO

    Alex VidalAlex VidalAcum 11 luni
  • As long as it built. We should be fine.

    BigTangTheoryBigTangTheoryAcum 11 luni
  • Your a good reviewer dude for sure

    Gaganpreet SinghGaganpreet SinghAcum 11 luni
  • Probably forgot the Insulating Pads.

    OneJazzKidOneJazzKidAcum 11 luni
  • I would like to know if I will be able to use Silverlight on the pro x?

    Temo ChavezTemo ChavezAcum 11 luni
  • Okay it's time to wait your command when we have to buy arm based device.

    Oky Untoro PutraOky Untoro PutraAcum 11 luni
  • I really hope the next generation surface go lands with an arm option.....light, always connected, great for productivity and affordable.

    John CraigJohn CraigAcum 11 luni
  • The new edge browser is amazing, it's basically chrome except faster and uses less ram

    JP MJP MAcum 11 luni
  • Why buy anything to run Windows on when you could have the fastest processor, largest available ram in the universe, and every time you update, your CPU is 100% usage? Thank God we have other OS's to use.

    jazzynet1jazzynet1Acum 11 luni
  • lack of money prevents me from doing stupid things

    Jason HPJason HPAcum 11 luni
  • In my prediction, 2021 will be the beginning for ARM laptop. Especially if there are $400-$600 laptop. The thin and light form factor will be very useful for lots of people.

    KevinMuliaKevinMuliaAcum 11 luni
    • @Lawrence D’Oliveiro I believe we are pretty free-market with technology. It is just a market demand. Chromebook is not for us since it needs 100% internet connection, ours are not reliable enough. And there is an old mindset which I can't argue... If it isn't Windows, don't buy it. Linux is not the options for mass, while macOS is... expensive. Chrome OS is not reliable with 100% internet connection. Windows on ARM is a great welcome since it will have long battery and thin body while retain some extend of compabilities with x86 software if needed.

      KevinMuliaKevinMuliaAcum 11 luni
    • Having free-market competition in your country would be good for this sort of thing.

      Lawrence D’OliveiroLawrence D’OliveiroAcum 11 luni
    • @Lawrence D’Oliveiro Well... not in my country

      KevinMuliaKevinMuliaAcum 11 luni
    • Chromebooks have been selling well for years. The local shops are full of them.

      Lawrence D’OliveiroLawrence D’OliveiroAcum 11 luni
  • Fingers still crossed for an ARM powered Surface Go sequel.

    Lumi KløvstadLumi KløvstadAcum 11 luni
  • I still blame developers just treating Windows like the old dog that you throw scraps to... DESPITE trying like mad to make new things for them to use 🙄

    MediaCastleXMediaCastleXAcum 11 luni
  • It is exactly because of people saying it doesn't even run programs that we can't really move forward and companies like Intel still exist. The problem is just so we can keep the customers happy we have to provide "backwards" compatibility, that's only possible with architectures that make it possible(read bad engineering). Some amount of sacrifice is required for better experiences in the future. This is the sacrifice.

    Shaurya PatelShaurya PatelAcum 11 luni
  • One Question - Can I use this laptop for programming like Android Studio or VSCode or something to edit code?

    Vivek KaushikVivek KaushikAcum 11 luni
    • VSCode will get an official ARM release and there is an unofficial one, but extensions may not work.

      MOBBAKMOBBAKAcum 7 luni
    • No arm does not work well with windows But it's improving will be good in two years

      Rohit GuptaRohit GuptaAcum 11 luni
  • Wish they made one on purpose

    its_ Mikeits_ MikeAcum 11 luni
  • Just look at the hardware. this is not too expensive. Apple would sell this with 40% higher price. The review is a good idea, but can you tech journalists once praise Microsoft without distancing yourselves immediately? Other thing I wanted to mention: The absolute majority of users either does not do videoediting, or has already a powerful machine for this kind of jobs. Being able to do video editing should be an extra stretch for a device to get 11 out of 10 points, but it is treate as if it is a necessity or 3 points.

    Johnny IrishJohnny IrishAcum 11 luni
  • I can't honestly take this guy seriously. Wtf does, "it takes too long to get started on Windows". What's a laptop to this guy? an everyday occurrence? The vast majority of people use a laptop for way more than a year, how bad could 10mim-20min be as opposed to 1min on a chrome book. Plus I feel like you can get on windows within a min or so while disabling all privacy and data requests. o and lightroom, such a useful app for the demographic of an ARM based notebook sized laptop/tablet.

    DifferentDifferentAcum 11 luni
    • @cldpt when did your windows 10 reinstall itself due to an update, that has never happened to me and I had win10 on release. As for the rest they are of no importance to me but I can see your point.

      DifferentDifferentAcum 11 luni
    • Provisioning (that's the name of setting up devices for first use) is a pain. Especially on Windows 10 given you have to do this every 6 months due to "Windows-as-a-service" upgrades which are pretty much a reinstall-like wizard. Do you know how many times you have to set up a Chromebook or a tablet after an upgrade? None: they upgrade seamlessly. You do it the one time you buy it or factory reset it, then all it does is redex (recompile dynamic files) And the real problems with W10 provisioning are related to privacy and cloud accounts being WAY too obscure. Every single one of Windows's updates gets you a different flow, with one more setting to opt out from (or a harder time doing it) and new tricks to force you into logging with a Microsoft account vs Local. Granted, Google also nags you with cloud accounts but at least on those ecosystems (Android OR Chrome OS) there are clear benefits and everybody already does it. I am yet to find a super-duper important reason to use an MS account - even bitlocker cloud key storage or the freemium apps on their store aren't worth it (thank god). There aren't "killer features" for me. Then again, I don't use these devices in a corporate environment nor depend heavily on OneDrive.

      cldptcldptAcum 11 luni
  • Surface is not officially available in the Philippines.

    Salahudin346Salahudin346Acum 11 luni
  • I'm an APPLE man... Never Windows 308x hahaha full of spyware.

    B. AllenB. AllenAcum 11 luni
  • 阴阳怪气 佛了

    Yohann TungYohann TungAcum 11 luni
  • Sounds like it’s just a worse iPad Pro?

    Amin SennourAmin SennourAcum 11 luni
  • Does it run Linux?

    Internet Privacy AdvocateInternet Privacy AdvocateAcum 11 luni
  • All Surface tablets have one big issue. It sits so low your head has to look down quite a bit. Very bad ergonomics for your neck. Just look at how low he looks down. The top of the screen should be at or near your eye level. That's basic ergonomics since 1990s

    tubetop123tubetop123Acum 11 luni
  • I learned so much about chrome in this video. lol

    Zack McCoyZack McCoyAcum 11 luni
  • Please stop using apps you leverage as a blogger the bellwether of what everyone else needs to look for in a device. Most users haven't even heard of Lightroom.

    ChrisChrisAcum 11 luni
  • Is Windows on ARM a good idea? Absolutely! Will Microsoft Office, the Adobe apps and so on be recompiled for ARM anytime soon? Well how long have they had already? This isn’t exactly bleeding edge. I think APPL will kill MSFT when it comes to ARM on a variety of systems currently dominated by Intel.

    Jason HindleJason HindleAcum 11 luni
  • F**k intel. ARM all the way

    Abu MaryamAbu MaryamAcum 11 luni
  • It seemed more like a praise for the new Edge thing more than the device actually

    DrummerGamerDrummerGamerAcum 11 luni
  • Great and ChromeBook don’t go together

    G8M8N8G8M8N8Acum 11 luni
  • will you review the new xps 13?

    Mllr HrMllr HrAcum 11 luni
  • Unfair comparison. Your Chromebook can't play Counterstrike or DOTA or World of Warcraft. Or Photoshop or Illustrator. Or a competent Office suite. etc, etc, etc.

    BrandonBrandonAcum 11 luni
  • Again not sure why Microsoft even went down this route. its basically the RT which failed horribly..for the same reason this will fail. People aren't gonna be sold on a Windows device that will be basically limited to running web apps performantly.

    Errol NealErrol NealAcum 11 luni
  • Wow.. I've owned 3 MS surface products.. go, laptop and pro. Shall I consider to buy this again?

    인포니어TV인포니어TVAcum 11 luni
  • From Surface Pro X to Surface Pro Edge

    Sophearith SaingSophearith SaingAcum 11 luni
  • Microsoft needs to make Windows 10 ARM that has native ARM compatibility. Once Windows goes ARM, the laptop/desktop industry can finally move on to ARM chips and get rid of the awful x86 monopoly.

    China SuperpowerChina SuperpowerAcum 11 luni
  • Oh my god this chrometana thing just changed my life😂

    Mailo KirmesMailo KirmesAcum 11 luni
  • Microsoft just hijacked all google features with edge and best android connectivity. Microsoft is cool again

    Ram AnnepuRam AnnepuAcum an
  • Thanks Dieter, great review! I won't buy one!! Have almost perfected running Office on my MacBookPro. Edge is good, and rapidly approaching Brave, so I'm right behind you - thanks for saving me €1700!😉

    HoJoMoHoJoMoAcum an
  • Useless tablet! Surface go is more pro.

    Robert AbshearRobert AbshearAcum an
  • "Think of [the Surface Pro X as] sort of like a Chromebook that happens to run Office apps, right? Let's just pretend, right?" -Dieter Bohn, Microsoft Surface Pro X review

    Kevin YehKevin YehAcum an
  • Do cintrix apps work on the surface x

    AalejaAalejaAcum an
  • Hey, does anyone know if this runs Lightroom???

    Curtis BCurtis BAcum an
  • What happened to chrometana pro?

    Max TMax TAcum an
  • Omg just get an iPad

    Sam SwiftSam SwiftAcum an
  • LUT fell off that last frame. smh

    Max PaolucciMax PaolucciAcum an
  • First you need a table

    Ar.MatrixAr.MatrixAcum an
  • The best Chromebook that starts at $900

    Kevin LeiKevin LeiAcum an
  • Macbook is far ahead for editing softwares. RIP: Microsoft windows

    Javed AliJaved AliAcum an
  • Until the Galaxy Chromebook comes out ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    Mistah MiggyMistah MiggyAcum an
  • Sorry but the app store makes iPad better :/ (surface user)

    YuzakiYuzakiAcum an
  • Yeah bad windows updates are too long and very intrusive.

    B TB TAcum an
  • Chromebook - except you can’t use Google Drive. Or at least you couldn’t when I tested this about six weeks ago. Made it unusable for me.

    Kris HartnerKris HartnerAcum an
  • Thank you poor marketing on Microsoft behalf. That's actually a very good point

    safeabz akasafeabz akaAcum an
  • Microsoft made an iPad that doesn't run iPad OS.

    E. CastilloE. CastilloAcum an
  • Dieter you just low-key sold me on the new Microsoft Edge browser. I had NO idea it had so many features and I canNOT wait to try it out.

    Kev LewKev LewAcum an
  • $1700 for a web browser 🤔

    Walter JuarezWalter JuarezAcum an
  • Idk abt the us, but you can get a surface pro x bundle with the keyboard and pen at costco for 1,300$ CAD(abt 984$ in the US)

    GS Naomi SmallsGS Naomi SmallsAcum an
  • The title of the video got my attention. :)

    Mulyadi KurniawanMulyadi KurniawanAcum an
  • I'd rather have Cortana ask what are me privacy settings preferences -- than have Google not ask.

    Kip SmithKip SmithAcum an
  • And Google stops supporting chrome apps.

    Yu ChengYu ChengAcum an
  • I REALLY want to buy this computer, but Dieter tells me that I can't! :-(

    David RossDavid RossAcum an
  • Yeah I was thinking exactly what you were talking about, it would make the perfect chromebook apart from the fact you couldn't download offline content for things like ROlabel & Amazon easily.

    Craig LittleCraig LittleAcum an
  • - Doesn't run the millions of Android apps a Chromebook does. - Doesn't even run all Windows apps, especially high-end ones. "This is the best Chromebook!"

    The Basketball HistorianThe Basketball HistorianAcum an
    • Most Android​​ apps on Chromebooks are "meh" because they aren't optimized for larger screens because Android tablets have stucked for a long time.

      pbilk1pbilk1Acum an
  • Yeah, about to return mine. Not that happy with the x86 app emulation performance in just a couple of key areas for me. Many pluses, but it's not the entire package just yet...

    Chris WongChris WongAcum an
  • MS could've succeeded from collaboration with Nokia only if they had actually focused on expanding the ARM ecosystem.

    Frank FengFrank FengAcum an
  • It`s really is a good product, hope that Lightroom will be available the soonest, because Dieter really wants it :)

    Nikita EvdokimovNikita EvdokimovAcum an