Fortnite vs Apple: App Store Royale

19 aug. 2020
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Fortnite has been kicked off both the iOS App Store and the Google Play Store, after a growing dispute between Epic Games and Apple and Google. But the roots of the dispute go back to Steve Jobs and the origin of the App Store model -- a model Epic is now trying to overturn.
** Correction: This video refers to an App Store case headed to the Supreme Court - in fact, the Supreme Court ruled on Apple v. Pepper in 2019, finding narrowly that App Store customers have standing to sue Apple over App Store prices. The case was sent to lower courts, which have not yet ruled on the merits of the underlying antitrust claim. **
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  • Should Epic just pay the 30 percent to get Fortnite back on the App Store, or is it time to stop paying the Apple Tax?

    The VergeThe VergeAcum 5 luni
    • Ya boy tryna get back on fortnite 😪

      XxmoneyxX-YTXxmoneyxX-YTAcum 2 luni
    • Apple must lose. Not saying they will, but for the industry, it would be for the best that they lose. Though Epic is a bit of a hippocrit, not going to lie.

      ViaticUnicornViaticUnicornAcum 2 luni
    • @Timmy P lol

      trevor bakertrevor bakerAcum 3 luni
    • Epic DOES NOT CARE if Fortnite EVER RETURNS to the App store! People seem to missing this fact. If you want proof its in the statements Sweeney made stating he is ready to put his ENTIRE COMPANY at stake. Apple will NEVER get its "tax!"

      Timmy PTimmy PAcum 3 luni
    • @RoshanGamer really true

  • GG, shilling for Epic. Epic willfully decided to breach their contract with Apple. Apple responded accordingly. Epic has benefitted from the App Store for years before they decided they wanted to no longer honor their agreement. Breaching the contract and launching a PR campaign to brainwash children is not how businesses conduct themselves.

    Michael HazellMichael HazellAcum lună
  • Despite its limitations, this is why F-Droid is my go to app-store.

    MutsukiAZMutsukiAZAcum 2 luni
  • I hope i own the internet..give me 90 percent of your revenue or go to Mars and business there.

    Nolram OnairamNolram OnairamAcum 2 luni
  • Yes

    Gideon SampahGideon SampahAcum 2 luni
  • I just wanna play fortnite again 😪

    XxmoneyxX-YTXxmoneyxX-YTAcum 2 luni
  • Sony and Microsoft are charging Epic the “SAME 30% Apple is charging” them, why Epic not sue Sony and Microsoft where 80% of there Business comes from - OH I see you need to go after Apple for the “Publicity” bunch of cheap skates 🤣😂👀

    RajRajAcum 2 luni

    Caber JaberCaber JaberAcum 2 luni
  • But I am a mobile player and I am sad I can’t play the new season

    George WilsonGeorge WilsonAcum 2 luni
  • And also fortnite just wants the money I think I do not know

    George WilsonGeorge WilsonAcum 2 luni
  • Hate Fortnite.. BORED GAME!

    Spot Anjo3Spot Anjo3Acum 2 luni
  • Very informative, clear and succint video . thank you

    Javier SilvaJavier SilvaAcum 2 luni
  • I expect Epic Games to get crushed, Apple and Google are duopolies and only for now, tomorrow a better mousetrap could wipe them both out, like they did to RIM / Blackberry

    Dax JacobsonDax JacobsonAcum 2 luni
  • I think the lawsuit against Apple is just but the one against Google is not. App stores are a service in and of themselves. By preventing the use of alternative app stores on their phones, Apple is engaging in anti-competitive practices imo. They might as well ban all map app that aren't theirs as well. They can say it's for user safety or whatever, idk. It's not Apple's job to squash potential app store competitors in the name of the consumer. I'm sure consumers would also be interested in cheaper apps due to a lower fee charged by an alternative app store, but you won't see Apple making that argument. Google already allows alternative app stores. If Epic wants to whine that people still used the play store they're free to do so, but it's pretty petty imo. If they don't offer their customers enough incentive to Google "download fortnite apk" that's their problem, not Google's.

    Ethan HunterEthan HunterAcum 3 luni
  • am i the one who play fortnite on mobile

    Leo GuffyboyLeo GuffyboyAcum 3 luni
  • Apple did the right thing so just ban fortnite

    MJching23MJching23Acum 3 luni
  • Actually,No one is wrong here.. All want to make money right?

    Again !Again !Acum 3 luni
  • do you think fortnite will come back ?

    Pushkar 3139Pushkar 3139Acum 3 luni
  • Apple didn’t revolutionize software distribution. It was revolutionized by Valve with Steam years before!

    Štěpán PazderkaŠtěpán PazderkaAcum 3 luni
  • I used to be able to copy my Unreal Tournament folder to a completely different computer, click the EXE and it would work. Didn't even need to be "installed" on Win98 Epic's always been doing things to skirt the "man" LOL

    LanCyferLanCyferAcum 3 luni
  • Correction Apple didn't made a revolution with app store. It just badly copied it from linux/bsd repositories and actually corrupted it making it worse applying the apple tax. An abuse of position. Well done Epic!

    Pipflow PlatformPipflow PlatformAcum 3 luni
  • If apple & google stop making his own music, game, TV service etc. I am ok that you take your cut. But if you use your own store as the same time compete with other developer, that is unfair!

    victorkin11victorkin11Acum 3 luni
  • I like how he said "Its not about the money", but WE ALL KNOW ITS ABOUT THE MONEY LOL!!!

    Gabriel PendletonGabriel PendletonAcum 3 luni
  • Got to love those crickets

    Benjamin WheelerBenjamin WheelerAcum 3 luni
  • Epic quoting 1984 ... Bravo

    MakesimeMakesimeAcum 3 luni
  • This is funny 😄 companies pay royalties to everybody for them using their name and in some cases payment centers like chase and visa. This is trusted companies and if your a no name brand looking to get into this business then you get treated like everybody else and given the chance to play a a level playing field with high companies. You can thank Apple for that chance

    Erik DiazErik DiazAcum 4 luni
  • I never cheered for giant companies, but god, I want Apple to destroy Epic for playing the good boys here. They are a greedy company exploring kids money. F# Epic.

    Guilherme SallesGuilherme SallesAcum 4 luni
  • Apple should put fortnite back on cause it’s a popular game and you interact with friends and family

    Weedymoo GamerWeedymoo GamerAcum 4 luni
  • Apple demands you to pay 30% App Store royalty also Apple doesn't pay federal tax XD

    Acid BearAcid BearAcum 4 luni
  • It sounds like Epic is run by real @!#?!@. Apple Creates an easier and safer way for developers to make a good living. Epic agrees to be a part of it. Then without even suggesting an alternative breaks the agreement and finally sues Apple. It would be great if people would just stay away from things they don't like and let the ones who do just be left to enjoy. As a customer I enjoy the sense of security and ease of returns. Maybe one day as a developer I would love to get 70% of the sales revenue.

    Don FirthDon FirthAcum 4 luni
  • If you think 30% sounds reasonable in comparison to 50%, note that other digital payment systems like credit cards take around 3% of transaction revenue (1% if you are a big player). Costs for delivering the service are similar. 27% is the difference between competition and monopoly!

    nickgeomapnickgeomapAcum 4 luni
    • @Rossums It depends on where you draw the line between market power and monopoly. In the US, that line is a fair way to the right, but even there, companies that push it too far are eventually forced to split up and compete (Bell Telephone).

      nickgeomapnickgeomapAcum 3 luni
    • @nickgeomap Of course they do, why wouldn't they? If they didn't, all developers would do is release free apps with all the functionality locked behind in-app purchases and Apple wouldn't see a penny despite it all being impossible without Apple creating the platform and storefront in the first place. 30% is the industry standard, doesn't matter if it's from Walmart, Sony, Nintendo Steam or Microsoft they all take a 30% cut of sales through their platform - they aren't charities.

      RossumsRossumsAcum 3 luni
    • @Rossums Fair enough for the App delivery and tools, but apple wants to cut 30% on in-app payments after that. That's simply using monopoly power to extract 30% on payment processing.

      nickgeomapnickgeomapAcum 3 luni
    • You are comparing apples to oranges, Apple isn't taking 30% to act as merely a payment processor. The 30% includes access to the most profitable digital market in the world, potential advertising, payment processing, content delivery, app reviews, a huge number of APIs and development tools developed by Apple, etc. and for recurring payments it drops to 15% after a year. Prior to the App Stores developers were paying 50-70% to carriers just to get their applications on to a device and when it came to physical copies they were normally paying more after having to pay costs to stores, for shipping and transport, for manufacturing etc. The App Store basically birthed an entire new market for developers and there are many large companies that only exist because Apple developed the App Store, now they are big enough and are getting greedy because they want access to all of these things that Apple provides but they don't want to pay for it.

      RossumsRossumsAcum 3 luni
  • 250 unread texts, 17 unread messages in messenger, 200 missed calls and 5,245 unread emails. This is mildly infuriating me Time stamp: 4:26

    HappyGamer 4everHappyGamer 4everAcum 4 luni
    • Lmao

      xycronxycronAcum 4 luni
  • Imagine going to another person’s house and telling them how to run their home. You wanna play in apple’s sandbox you play by apple’s rules.

    samuel umezawasamuel umezawaAcum 4 luni
  • Sure, you can't jailbreak *coughs Electra, unCover* so nothing to see here

    エルエルAcum 4 luni
  • Apple should buy Epic and fires all the staff. Epic signed a contract. Apple take 30%, fornite can be download for free, so the 30% of Zero in Zero. You can buy vbuck from epic store in safari, and use on Fortnite on every platform. A lot of noise for nothing. The way epic want the App Store mean that it can bypass the parent locking so a kid could spent real money, even if the iPhone has a parental control. Before talking on a video you should get some informations.

    Fabio ComelliFabio ComelliAcum 4 luni
  • How do we help epic games

  • Was this sponsored by Epic? LMAO

    Francis MarinoFrancis MarinoAcum 4 luni
  • Keep trying with you're pathetic article, it's a full court this month so you know it's gonna be back on the store... You know the judge has kids that play fortnite on ios. 🤣🤣

    Modern Warfare GodModern Warfare GodAcum 4 luni
  • 200 unanswered calls?! 4:31

    Stelios KapetStelios KapetAcum 4 luni
  • Apple didn't make this happen. Steam did.

    Krystal MythKrystal MythAcum 4 luni
  • Fortnite did get greedy about it

    Carson PeaveyCarson PeaveyAcum 4 luni
  • Samsung Galaxy store has eipc games luncher

    SuperMarioBit 64SuperMarioBit 64Acum 4 luni
  • in 2020, people play fall guys, not fortnite. lol....

    zulfikanggazulfikanggaAcum 4 luni
  • Why is Apple going after Epic Games and not Spotify and Amazon (kindle) when they are doing the same thing..??

    Aman PathakAman PathakAcum 4 luni
  • Wait who has 250 texts and 200 calls?

    Neo62003 ‘Neo62003 ‘Acum 4 luni
  • I think 30% is just too much.. It will all trickle down to customer prices

    LowlandsLowlandsAcum 4 luni
  • You are the first one that I agree with on here about why Epic did this lawsuit. You paid $99.00 yearly + 30% commission for selling your game each + 30% commission for each In-App Purchase, so that is 60% not 30% Either Apple needs to drop one or both 30% or make the yearly rate cheaper, that is what this lawsuit is about

    Christian WilsonChristian WilsonAcum 4 luni
  • This was an incredibly informative video. Thanks Verge!

    Chang CheChang CheAcum 4 luni
  • Who adds crickets in bg music lol

    Wolf RageWolf RageAcum 4 luni
  • Thanks for a thoroughly lucid and informative video. It's a rarity.

    Rosalyn C.Rosalyn C.Acum 4 luni
  • No one sued them for stealing features from apex though.

    TinmanTinmanAcum 4 luni
  • Please... before apple steam were distributing games online. Way before.

    TinmanTinmanAcum 4 luni
  • This guy reminds me of BubVisuals

    jakebuildsjakebuildsAcum 4 luni
  • It’s fair, apple wants rent for hosting ur app. That’s it. Nothing is free and fornite didn’t pay rent so they got kicked

    Pie 4lifePie 4lifeAcum 4 luni
  • Great breakdown of the situation.

    Taylor GilmoreTaylor GilmoreAcum 4 luni
  • Fortnite was already dead by then anyway

    U LoSeU LoSeAcum 4 luni
  • Apple: **sues fortnite** Fortnite sorry but.. IM ABOUT TO END THIS MANS WHOLE CAREER Also fortnite: LOL YOU WALKED STRAIGHT INTO OUR TRAP LOLOL

    24k_Axrin24k_AxrinAcum 4 luni
  • Billionaires fighting billionaires 😒 give me a break

    LegendaryLegendaryAcum 4 luni
  • It’s hard for Apple to lose, Epic was the one who broke the rules, once you made an app you agree to the rules and they broke it.

    joshuel2008joshuel2008Acum 4 luni
  • ᖇIᑭ ᖴᗩᖇTᑎITᗴ

    YT MEDIAYT MEDIAAcum 4 luni
  • Tim vs Tim!

    FurionFurionAcum 4 luni
  • I mean its like saying that I don´t want to pay PlayStation for PlayStation Games, So I get a Freaking Xbox, You dont like iOS App Distribution, Just stay on Android,

    Gabriel RomeroGabriel RomeroAcum 4 luni
  • I support Apple a 100%. They literally want a 30%, they want nothing else. And Ill do more research about the Amazon video case cuz I don’t know a lot about that. Apple and Google are practicing the best methods.

    Luke WilliamsLuke WilliamsAcum 4 luni
  • It’s been too long they need to bring it back

    Vince LombardiVince LombardiAcum 4 luni
  • Apple stopped innovating so now they want to nickel and dime their own developers, it’s honestly sad to see the lows this once great company has come too 💔.

    Justin JonesJustin JonesAcum 4 luni
    • Christopher Lewis oh o definitely know that Chris and giving new Animoji’s every update isn’t innovation either.

      Justin JonesJustin JonesAcum 4 luni
    • You know there’s more to innovation then what’s on the outside of their devices right? Adding more ram isn’t innovation

      Christopher LewisChristopher LewisAcum 4 luni
  • I believe 15% cut is more than enough

    RohitRohitAcum 4 luni
  • It's easy enough to mail yourself an app on Android, and install it, or you can use other app stores. Like XDA labs. Failing that you have to connect a cable and use adb. There are plenty of How-to's available.

    praxis22praxis22Acum 4 luni
  • What's up with the cricket sounds throughout? I feel like I'm going insane

    Henry HalkyardHenry HalkyardAcum 4 luni
  • Wrong facts at 2:00 "Apple bascially made this shift happen", Steam did that 5 years before that, please dont spread wrong facts or rumors.

    jobastijobastiAcum 4 luni
  • Apple’s providing the store, platform, and crowd. Tell epic to go make their store, and get the same audience as the App Store. They’d make more on the App Store with the 30% tax than they would on their own store where they get all the revenue

    Sad Mets FanSad Mets FanAcum 4 luni
  • Apple battle royals

    Zifrom78Zifrom78Acum 4 luni
  • Most people ignore the fact that to keep an App Store running there are designers, developers, security, engineers, architects and so on to keep everything up to date. Not only that but Apple needs to invest millions on hardware research and testing to bring powerful phones, computers and tablets out each year or sometimes twice a year to run even more powerful software like all the games people download. It’s not unfair to charge a cut when you spend decades of work and so much money and the investment of countless job opportunities to have another company like Epic decide Apple and Google are wrong for charging a 30% fee. They are a billion dollar company because of Apple and Google. Hypocrites only want to make more money off their hard work if Apple and Google allow it to.

    Tiago BarbosaTiago BarbosaAcum 4 luni
  • Who wants to go android now 🤣

    ChuxxChuxxAcum 4 luni
  • Is Fortnite coming back tho?

    Wolf VEVOWolf VEVOAcum 4 luni

    Warrior_KidWarrior_KidAcum 4 luni
  • I love how people downplay “keeping the servers running” as if servers run themselves. You have to keep them cool, backed up, and online AT ALL TIMES. You have to PAY professional sysadmins who, mind you, cost more than a hole-in-the-wall storefront rental. Most of these airheads have never even touched a server.

    El AlbatrossEl AlbatrossAcum 4 luni
    • Oh I'm sure it costs a fuckton of money. But I'm also sure that the profits massively exceed the costs despite this fact.

      Ethan HunterEthan HunterAcum 3 luni
    • True they have to pay if they want

    • exactly and they have to continually upgrade the equipment to keep up with increasing demand and speed and new tech etc.

      FieldSweeperFieldSweeperAcum 4 luni
  • Well... this is EPIC!!!

    Imran ShahImran ShahAcum 4 luni

    YT ValixyYT ValixyAcum 4 luni
  • Let's end the monopoly the US government has on taxes! I would like to be able to tax people too!

    NachoGrimoldiNachoGrimoldiAcum 4 luni
  • 1. Issue is not whether software used to be sold differently. Issue is whether a duopoly (Apple and Google) should be allowed to take an artificially set 30% from everything ever sold on mobile devices, including any links to other platforms, or even just purchased on other platforms. 2. Apple did not make app stores happen. App stores existed on phones long before the iphone and iphone didn't even originally include an app store.

    Richard FeeleyRichard FeeleyAcum 4 luni
  • Huge respect to Epic for not wanting money; but instead, trying to tear down the App Store monopoly, which will benefit everyone!

    Mr PeanutMr PeanutAcum 4 luni
    • Not wanting money? They want their store on iOS so developers can pay them instead of Apple. It’s 100% about money. They don’t want to pay Apple 30%. They want to have IAP go through them so Apple or google doesn’t get their cut.

      Christopher LewisChristopher LewisAcum 4 luni
  • I don't play games anymore but I still preferred physical copies over the cloud. I can never trust spending over $50 on something I can not physically hold in my hand.

    Servant Status MinistriesServant Status MinistriesAcum 4 luni
  • The problem is, when Epic tried the external payment option they did so without letting Apple know. So they are allowed to make an external payment(like all the other apps have done) but they need to let them know. You can't just burn a document without your Boss' permission.

    Walter RandlehoffWalter RandlehoffAcum 4 luni
  • The real crime here is that damn cricket in the video...

    Carter HillCarter HillAcum 4 luni
  • So what I am hearing is apple has to pay for the RND for the new devices, procure, manufacture, design, market, create marketing, create buzz, put out BILLIONS in the entire creation of their devices, and compete with other companies like Google, Samsung, etc etc. Yet apple doesn't ask for any monthly subscription service to be on the App Store. They only take a percentage when those developers make money. This allows those who cannot compete because of inactive funds the ability to compete. What I don't get is how do these developers get off saying they "own" or are "allowed" to bypass paying for access. They didn't create the eco system. They didn't dump ANY money into the RND to create the apple mobile and desktop systems yet are crying cuz they have to pay something? If you don't like it leave. If you want to discuss with apple terms, then discuss with apple terms. The entitlement.Jesus

    Jeffrey HardJeffrey HardAcum 4 luni
  • I’m so happy

    Squash GamingSquash GamingAcum 4 luni
  • They’re making a big deal out of this. They should’ve just stayed on actual consoles instead of going mobile

    Tech Is LifeTech Is LifeAcum 4 luni
  • I absolutely HATE Fortnite, bit I gotta give Epic some love here. What they are doing is important and the way they did it is hilarious.

    Jay NJay NAcum 4 luni
  • They agreed to the App Store’s policies when they published Fortnight.

    TYler_ SChecterTYler_ SChecterAcum 4 luni
  • I dont understand. You are expecting to put your game in Apple’s store and not pay them penny ? Why would they allow that anyway. It sounds ridicules like the same as putting on a physical store and expecting not paying anything.

    KM PaulKM PaulAcum 4 luni
  • 3:30 the point is that it ade it cheaper and they shoudnt have to lower it because it is their platform and they made it happen and they could of charged like 50% and developers would still switch and the fact that they charge only 30% is fine and the amount goes down over time anyway for older developers. look dude they can charge that amount becase it is their product and their choice (not the apps but the store) if evrbody lowered thir prices because they can their buisness would grow slower. the whole point of making a product is to make a profit. if you agree to the tems you agree, no buts. oh look i mad a product here i add a method of software distribution and then people start complaining because "ITs aMInopLy" jesus christ pay the 30% it wont kill you. do you want tesla to allow you to install chevrolett software in your tesla because "I dONt LIke PayING TAx ON GoodS ANd SERVices To thE sOftWare PLatFOrm OwneR"

    Jacob RoweJacob RoweAcum 4 luni
  • Hows your computer holding?

    FoolKnightFoolKnightAcum 4 luni
  • wait digital store for phones invented by Apple??

    adepu prashanthadepu prashanthAcum 4 luni
  • Yeah but Apple is technically on the right because it’s a policy right everyone signed the contract I want to getting on the App Store I know I’m not on Apple site in fortnight side but need to sign the contract so they have to follow the contract

    tinatinaAcum 4 luni
  • When monopoly giant companies become greedy this is what happens...hope they learn something...I have never seen so many Apple device been sold online in the face of history...this will devalue their products like iPhone 12...

    Valery MonneronValery MonneronAcum 4 luni
  • The 1984 stunt was "Epic"

    YYZYYZAcum 4 luni
  • So this means that we should be able to buy Fortnite stuff from outside of EPIC's marketplace right?... Right?

    Chris LimChris LimAcum 4 luni
  • Huawei is compiting Google with the App gallery

    Thanos MarkouThanos MarkouAcum 4 luni
  • Down with Epic

    Broccoli Ice-CreamBroccoli Ice-CreamAcum 4 luni

    Rc Suomi VideoitaRc Suomi VideoitaAcum 4 luni